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Forest Hills Council Abuzz About Possible Bee, Chicken Ordinance

While some residents hope the issue stays cooped up, council will have to decide whether to allow chickens and small-scale beekeeping.

To bee or not to bee—that is the question Forest Hills Council is exploring after some interest from residents about those "urban farming" possibilities.

While the bee idea has some support, the notion of chickens is ruffling some feathers—at least among neighbors in the Edgewood Acres area, who contacted council with their concerns after finding out about the discussion. Council isn't expected to take final action on approving such a measure for at least a few months, according to council President Steve Karas.

The idea of permitting residents to have chickens has come to council a few times over the past few years.

Forest Hills resident Elizabeth Donohoe is leading the latest effort. She held an indoor winter farmer's market last month at Juniper Village featuring local foods and sees an interest in the urban farming movement in Forest Hills.

"With the huge interest in local foods—and the move toward sustainable solutions generally—it's no surprise that a growing number of people want a more direct relationship with the food they eat," Donohoe said. "I look around and see the gardens people are putting in, how people are composting, that they're learning how to freeze and can foods for winter use, and so on. I think this is an exciting green initiative for Forest Hills to get behind, and a great way to join other communities who are on the leading edge of the healthy local foods movement."

Karas pointed to the City of Pittsburgh, which has an ordinance, as well as places like State College. He said many other municipalities choose not to regulate it at all. 

"People are interested in having chickens," Karas said. "They see it as a way to sustainably raise their own food and teach their children about the importance of local food. We looked at several ordinances and adopted best practices from government and agricultural agencies and sought to craft an ordinance that would work for Forest Hills."

The ordinance was discussed at several public meetings and in two different committees and was reviewed by the borough solicitor. Karas said council noted comments from residents—both pro and con—and addressed concerns.  

"Some of the residents that were against it cited a situation several years ago," he said. "Others had limited knowledge of how to raise chickens and voiced understandable concerns over things like noise and smell. I learned that chickens produce very little waste and its the roosters that make noise."

Karas said his sister-in-law, who lives in Brooklyn, has about 40 chickens in a very small space. She owns a house in Forest Hills and was shocked to learn that the borough did not allow chickens, he said.

"It is very popular in New York City," Karas said.

He said council would limit the number to four or five. In a letter sent to residents, Donohoe said no roosters would be permitted.

Karas said very few residents have voiced opposition to bees.  

"As many people know there is an issue with less bees available for pollination," the council president said. "As it stands now in Forest Hills, Tree City USA, with two park/arboretums, wild bees have been spotted. That is a sign of a healthy ecosystem. We think small beekeeping for pollination and honey can be done very safely."

Council's proposed ordinance would require both bees and chickens to be maintained. The owner would need a certificate of education on best practices, a permit, agree to spot inspections and a set back that will provide reassurance to neighbors.

"Ours is actually more restrictive than Pittsburgh or New York City's," Karas said. "Urban farming is popular among younger people and families. We want people who do this responsibly to take a look at all of the parks, green space, recreational opportunities, our pool, and our outstanding police and borough services. We think that if they do, more people will chose to live in Forest Hills."

Karas said the proposed ordinance would be discussed in public meetings and reviewed by council for several months. Council would then hear any concerns, address them and then allow for public comment prior to a vote.  

"We have had huge support to pass this and some concern over how we would do it and some residents opposed," Karas said. "We will listen to everyone before we decide."

 

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Mary March 15, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Well I'm all for local foods. I go to farmer's market, have bought farm shares and even have my own vegatable garden but I do not want to live next to chickens. I also wouldn't want to live next to a bee farm. I have several family members who are allergic to bees. Is there going to be a square footage requirement? I know the houses in Edgewood Acres have big lots but houses on my street do not.
Jon Holmes March 15, 2013 at 01:24 pm
I'm in Edgewood Acres. Some chickens live just across the street and I'm very happy about it. They are harmless, neither noisy nor smelly. They were there for several months before my next-door neighbor even noticed them. I'd be similarly tickled at the presence of small apiaries.
Luna March 15, 2013 at 02:12 pm
I live in Edgewood Acres and would be thrilled to have both chickens and bees in the neighborhood! Bees are certainly a sign of a healthy ecosystem and our gardens and flowerbeds would do better with more bees. I think these are fantastic ideas!
Barb Kochuba March 15, 2013 at 06:44 pm
I am a resident of Edgewood Acres with a small lot so there aren't all big lots here. I am quite confused - if chickens are not permitted in the boro currently how is that the two preceeding comments mention their delight about having chickens next door!. We are very opposed to this ordance for several reasons which will be detailed in our letter to council.
Barb
Jon Holmes March 15, 2013 at 07:39 pm
I was similarly confused, Barb, though I don't share your opposition. My neighbors with the chickens, an older couple who moved here to retire, told me they checked with the city before moving in and were told they could have a certain number of hens but no roosters (for the noise reasons mentioned above). I wish I could shed more light on the situation, but I can't.
Luna March 15, 2013 at 08:46 pm
I did not say I live near chickens, but rather would be delighted to have them in the neighborhood. The only family I know with chickens is in Swissvale. I think allowing bees and chickens is a fantastic step in teaching my kids about sustainable living.
Cristina March 18, 2013 at 12:47 pm
I live in Forest Hills and I am 100% for allowing people in our community to have chickens and bees! I do have to say that as a resident of Forest Hills, I was NEVER informed about the fact that the council is discussing about this Ordinance... and did not receive the letter Donohoe is talking about in this article. There is no petition circulating either. Last Sunday I was talking with 3 other families, Forest Hills residents, and they didn't receive anything concerning this matter. I feel like the Council is taking decisions without consulting it's residents... just like they usually do.
Cris
Luna March 18, 2013 at 01:48 pm
Agreed, Cristina! This is the first I've heard of any of this.
Jon Holmes March 18, 2013 at 01:51 pm
Yup, no such letter arrived at my house either. I wonder whether there is some sort of misunderstanding, e.g. a letter went out to only a few people concerned about a particular case. If this letter was supposed to go to all Forest Hills households then clearly something went very wrong with that.
Joyce Peterson March 25, 2013 at 09:00 pm
Now we'll have more barking dogs - barking at chickens constantly. HELP! We bought this house in a Forest Hills suburb - we did not buy a farm! It would be nice
if the borough would inform everyone of this.

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